Subject	I am sure computer optimization would show some>
Posted by	twinz on September 12, 2000 at 2:58 PM
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In Reply To	Agreed, but to make virtually no gains?>> posted by Mike ZZZ (Toronto) on September 12, 2000 at 02:44 PM
Message	: The SBC has a lot more potential, granted by its sheer size. But these mods should show something on the dyno. It's hard to believe that an intake, exhuast and ECU can make the same power as an intake, exhaust, ECU, ported/polished heads, ported/polished TB's/intake, cams, headers, etc on the exact same motor. There seems to be a missing variable. It makes absolutely no sense, other than the fact that the engine management system cannot compensate for the mods, not allowing output to be optimized. There has to be something?? >>>> more gains but it all still boils down to air flow/displacement...there really is no subsitiute for cubic inches other than forced induction to pump more air/fuel through an engine. I definitely think 300bhp can be gotten out of an NA 3.0 v6 ( 100bhp per liter should be doable.. just look at honda...)but I do think it would be necessary to have it done by a custom engine management system along w/the mods you have listed. 1990 Twin Turbo 5spd Stillen Stage X+ 1999 Maxima SE 5spd ECZA member #0314 ..."When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"...Hunter S. Thompson
Follow Ups	How much power can an NA make.... - aZinAZ 13:52:34 09/12/00 I would say, pretty close but it's hard, check out - chriztopher kent 13:57:26 09/12/00 Your Nuts... as was I... can't do it. - Greg (Dallas) 14:09:34 09/12/00 Thanks for the good info! n/m. - aZinAZ 14:16:17 09/12/00 i dont get it...i thought the NA has 225 HPS? >>> - MasterNimos 14:22:26 09/12/00 222 fly wheel hp. About 175-180 rwhp stock. (n/m) - Mike ZZZ (Toronto) 14:26:58 09/12/00 There had to be a reason why. NAers read>>> - Mike ZZZ (Toronto) 14:25:57 09/12/00 one thing to remember in your v6/sbc comparo Mike> - twinz 14:35:13 09/12/00 Agreed, but to make virtually no gains?>> - Mike ZZZ (Toronto) 14:44:56 09/12/00 Perhaps it is already as efficient as it can be. - Bernie 14:53:27 09/12/00 I am sure computer optimization would show some> - twinz 14:58:21 09/12/00 type r has 170HPs, its actually lower? I dont understand... (n/m) - MasterNimos 15:15:43 09/12/00 GS-R has 170. Type-R (american) has 195 (or 190?) (n/m) - Ogre 15:29:58 09/12/00 Rear wheel HP and flywheel or BHP are different. - Kamaitachi 15:50:29 09/12/00 look as s2000 engine specs..120bhp per liter.. (n/m) - twinz 08:58:29 09/13/00 misleading >> - rocketZ 16:39:14 09/12/00 Don't give up that easy.... - Tim_N/A 15:20:52 09/12/00 So what did your car put down again????? (n/m) - wesman [Z-less in big D] 15:55:08 09/12/00 LOL! Tim dosn't believe in dyno's or drag strips.. (n/m) - orion 18:44:18 09/12/00 300 flywheel sure...300 to the ground ain't gonna happen (n/m) - wesman [Z-less in big D] 15:56:40 09/12/00 Here's what some NA er needs to do>>>> - Grec (East Bay, CA) 16:32:02 09/12/00 Not Enough! LOL (n/m) - Jeff M (San Antonio) 17:07:58 09/12/00 Don't worry, you'll end up buying a TT. (n/m) - mfh {Z kid} 19:12:35 09/12/00
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